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    Quote Originally Posted by Modificato View Post
    Indeed could be worth a punt, tidy it up and make a little more special and thatís a nice car for an entry level to the brand.
    Not at £60k for a 2000 W which is an insurance write off it's definitely not worth a punt

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    Scuderia Disareator - Complete
    The oil tank is back from CC who as usual have done a fantastic job. The tank was blasted with crushed walnut shells, powder primed, then colour coated.
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    A reminder of what it looked like in F430 configuration:
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    Carbon Inner Sill Trims
    Carbon inner sills were an option on the F430 and Scuderia, but standard on the 16M. The there is a difference between the F430 and Scuderia type with the former being shaped differently at the front. Personally, I think the Scuderia parts look better and of course that's what I've gone for.
    The trims are made from a single layer of cloth and hence featherweight, so there isn't a weight penalty when the requisite section of carpet is removed.
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    I first installed them over the top of the carpet to mark the outline with masking tape. The trims aren't designed to be installed over carpet but doing so gave me an idea.
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    I used a scalpel to cut away the carpet leaving a 15-20mm smaller circumference than the trim itself - this way the carpet is neatly held once the trim was installed. There is a sound deadening sheet glued to the carpet on each side which I removed and maintained by securing to the sill with 3M VHB. I cut two rectangular holes in the sheet to provide access to the two M5 rivnuts present on all chassis' ready to accept the inner sill trims.This is how Ferrari do it.
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    Installed.
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    Scuderia Passenger Footrest
    I've been waiting for this part for a long time and at one point it looked like the order may get canceled, but then I can only assume the factory had enough orders to warrant making a new batch - this tends to be how it works with less common/required parts. In the mean time as an interim solution I had modified the original F430 footrest to look more like the Scuderia one, but having the the actual Scuderia part to compare revealed it is lighter by 211g - every little helps! It also looks a lot nicer in my interior.
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    Fitted - excuse the dirty car. I haven't yet cleaned off the Tuscan dust.
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    Weight saving


    Original Part Fitted Quantity Original Part (kg) Replacement Part (kg) Sprung Saving (kg) Unsprung Saving (kg) Replacement Part
    Pedals - brake 1 0.987 0.627 0.36 - 16M/Scuderia.............................................
    Pedals - brake and clutch height adjuster bracket.................................................. .................... 1 0.086 0 0.086 - Removed - unused
    Brakes - ABS/ESP - acceleration sensor 1 0.091 0 0.091 - Removed - function provided by CAN yaw
    Pedals - Pedals - accelerator assembly 1 0.883 0.869 0.014 - 16M/Scuderia
    Door hinges 4 0.705 0.5005 0.818 - Machined to reduce weight
    Dashboard plaque 'F430 Spider' - carbon version 1 0.025 0.086 -0.061 - '16M Scuderia Spider - Limited 499'
    Interior - centre console, complete (carbon driving zone) 1 2.253 1.341 0.912 - 16M (carbon)
    Windscreen washer tank, pumps, and minimum fluid 1 5.257 2.899 2.358 - 360 non-headlamp wash version adapted
    Headlamps - standard 2 0.3505 0.137 0.427 - 16M (carbon)
    Wing mirrors 1 2.11 1.431 0.679 - 16M/Scuderia (carbon)
    Spider hood tray 1 8.45 1.555 6.895 - Bespoke carbon version
    F1 paddles 1 0.154 0.103 0.051 - Steering wheel mounted
    Steering wheel - leather with aluminium trim 1 1.78 1.85 -0.07 - 16M/Scuderia (carbon) - leather & alcantara
    Interior - rear bulkhead (carpet) 1 2.86 2.703 0.157 - Retrimmed in Alcantara
    Interior - rear bulkhead document nets (untrimmed) 2 0.119 0.257 -0.276 - Retrimmed in Alcantara
    Interior - rear shelf, centre (carpet) 1 0.402 0.465 -0.063 - Retrimmed in Alcantara
    Pedals - drivers footrest 'dead pedal' 1 0.181 0.162 0.019 - Hill Engineering (drilled aluminium)
    Interior - tunnel trim (carpet) 1 1.177 1.041 0.136 - Retrimmed in Alcantara
    Interior - drivers footwell trim (carpet) 1 0.305 0.316 -0.011 - Retrimmed in Alcantara
    Interior - rear shelf, LH (carpet) 1 0.822 1.039 -0.217 - Retrimmed in Alcantara
    Interior - rear shelf, RH (carpet) 1 0.98 0.91 0.07 - Retrimmed in Alcantara
    Interior - passenger footwell trim (carpet) 1 0.229 0.371 -0.142 - Retrimmed in Alcantara
    Bumper - front mounting washers (steel) 4 0.019 0.012 0.028 - Bespoke aluminium spacers
    Battery change #2 - Optima 'Red Top' 34R 1 18.75 16.72 2.03 - Bosch S5 007
    Pedals - passenger footrest (cast aluminium) 1 0.347 0.136 0.211 - 16M/Scuderia (pressed steel)

    Sprung weight saved: 90.097 kg
    Unsprung weight saved: 24.97 kg
    Total weight saved: 115.067 kg

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    Quote Originally Posted by MWStewart View Post

    The trims aren't designed to be installed over carpet
    Mark. Thanks for the detail on this. I have been wondering what the factory did in this area, as I have the carbon inner sills and with the carpet being cut away you can just see a little bit of the red painted floor between the carpet and carbon trim. I must have OCD as its really annoying

    I might get the edge of the carpet bound in some black leather with a extra 20mm "flap" that I can put behind the carbon trim, and hide the gap. Is it just the screws that hold on the inner sill ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sssdu01 View Post
    Mark. Thanks for the detail on this. I have been wondering what the factory did in this area, as I have the carbon inner sills and with the carpet being cut away you can just see a little bit of the red painted floor between the carpet and carbon trim. I must have OCD as its really annoying

    I might get the edge of the carpet bound in some black leather with a extra 20mm "flap" that I can put behind the carbon trim, and hide the gap. Is it just the screws that hold on the inner sill ?
    Glad some of it helped. That kind of thing also bugs me - it took a few adjustments before I was happy because of exactly what your describe.

    In your case I would loosen the two securing bolts to provide a bit of clearance for the carpet, and then manipulate the carpet a bit before re-tightening.

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    P.S. the trim is stuck down with double sided tape along the surface next to the door seal.

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    16M Door Card Recreation - Background
    Casting back to November 2016 and Carlo from Italy very kindly donated a pair of Scuderia carbon door panels to the project. These are incomplete, missing a central insert panel which features a moulded mount for the inner door handle and a group of rivnuts to which a storage net is secured. Despite the missing parts, the panels are a great help.
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    The door panels are actually different between the Scuderia and 16M, and although the 16M parts are still available from the factory the total cost is disproportionate.
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    I do need some of the parts purely for functional reasons, but my plan is to finish the Scuderia door cards from Carlo and whilst doing so convert them to 16M spec i.e. with both speaker apertures and grilles. A 16M door panel is pictured below complete with the internal handle and storage net, which are amongst the parts I must source.
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    To finish this project there are several areas I will need to tackle:
    1) Modify the Scuderia door panels to 16M specification;
    2) Create a mould for the central insert (handed - L & R) and use it to manufacture the insert from plain weave carbon;
    3) Modify my F430 doors to Scuderia spec by fabricating aluminium mounts with M5 spire nuts, to which the carbon panels can fasten.

    16M Door Card Recreation - Midrange and Tweeter
    The tweeter in the F430 is mounted to the internal trim 'triangle' behind the rear view mirror base, but in the 16M the tweeter is mounted in a custom grille angled toward the driver, behind which is a 100mm midrange driver - the internal mirror trim plate is part of the carbon door panel. I would really like to source the grilles with integral tweeters butfor weight reasons I would not fit the midrange nor associated Bose amplifier; I would simply use the standard F430 configuration of a tweeter and midbass driver in the lower door.
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    Thanks to 16M owner David from Down Under for measuring the speaker grilles, which enabled me to use accurate paper templates to ascertain the right location for the speaker apertures, and mark the centre point on the door panels.
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    On the rear of the door panel are three upper reinforcement brackets, and the front most of these on the Scuderia panel is in the way of the midrange/tweeter assembly. The following photo shows the rear of a complete Scuderia door panel with the offending bracket marked with a green arrow. I was able to pry off the brackets from my door panels without damage - at a later stage I will re-bond a little further back.
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    Next, I moved on to drilling the panel. I have to be honest and say I wasn't entirely sure how well it would turn out, so to minimise any problems I did a couple of things; firstly, I purchased a quality hole saw a few mm smaller in diameter than the speaker grille so I could finish the hole by hand with emery paper, and secondly, I used ballistic grade window film to stick on the panel and give the saw something to bite into rather than skipping over the smooth carbon.
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    The film actually worked really well and I ended up with a surprisingly precise hole.
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    I bonded the forward reinforcement bracket further back out of the way of the new hole.
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    Until I locate some OEM grilles and speakers I will use a plain circular speaker grille and mount the original F430 tweeter behind it on a bespoke carbon bracket. Obviously, I won't have the 'D' shaped cut out in the door panel - where the JBL logo is on the 16M speaker - but I can quite easily add that at a later date.
    I sourced some 100mm black grilles and some really useful speaker mounts which have a lip inside them to secure the grille when pushed in from the front of the door panel.
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    Completed. A small change but a satisfying one. I used emery paper to smooth the hole and add a chamfer on the edge just like the 16M panel. I've bonded the speaker mount to the rear of the panel hence the grille is secured in place.
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    16M Door Card Recreation - Midbass Part 1
    The 16M has a 6.5"/165mm metal cone driver at the bottom of each door - photo below (including the 4"/100cm midrange driver). It is the midbass component of the JBL three way speaker system. The F430 has a 5.25″/133mm paper cone midrange speaker in this location with a grille measuring approximately 140mm. I may take this opportunity to fit an upgraded 165mm midrange/midbass driver.
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    I used a 165mm hole saw using the same approach as before.
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    I had a real struggle trying to locate a 165mm grille; the majority designed for a 6.5" are a minimum diameter of 175mm and going down to 5.25" the majority of grilles are circa 140mm! I actually ended up buying a pair of domestic ceiling speakers and removing their grilles, which were exactly 165mm. I will have them blasted and powder coated satin black.
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    Photo to show sanded edges and grilles loosely mounted. The swage line - indicated by the green arrow - on 16M door cards actually ends before the speaker in order to prevent the abrupt step near the edge of the grille that I've been left with. There was quite a thickness of carbon in that area so I sanded to re-shape and thus visually soften the transition towards the grille, but I'm still not completely happy with it, so I'm going to lay new carbon underneath the ridge to build up the thickness. This will enable me to sand through the original layer without jeopardising the cosmetic appearance so I can blend the entire area in towards the grille, as per OEM 16M.
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    A correction to a couple of bits in my previous post:

    The F430 uses a 6.5"/165mm midrange driver i.e. the same size as the 16M. The grille is approx 142mm.
    The grille size for the 6.5"/165mm 16M midbass speaker is 150mm exactly, not the 165m I had typed! The hole cutter was 152mm.

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    Default More adventures in the rare parts bin - associated topic

    After the running of the 430 challenge viale (as I now call it) at Silverstone I was surprised by its pace and comparative speed and handling compared to the 488ís and the 458 Specialeís which were in my group. There was very little to criticise of what is (even though I say so myself) a well sorted track day car. I say surprised as my principal goal has always been what used to be known as a good Ďfast roadí set-up. Itís ride height gives that away immediately. Still I was not happy with the rear squirming under heavy braking especially at Stowe. Whilst the new exhaust and full carbon rear has had a really positive impact on overall weight and really noticeable improvement to the polar moment of inertia but it needs more rear aero for me to be fully happy. Note some of the GT cars ran in period with no rear engine lid at all and the challenge part was a lot lighter at 13kg. Of course the also had Ďkin big wings which I donít want to do so...

    Cue a search for a real unicorn upgrade.

    In period Ferrari were exploring a preferred supplier deal with ISOclima SpA a specialist motorsport glazing supplier with whom I am also familiar with from my aerospace days. They asked them to make an engine cover using their ISOclima Ďglassí with a carbon fibre substructure. What they produced was claimed to be even lighter than the eventual item found on the scuderia variant and actually lighter than the challenge version. Interestingly their Ďtestí parts also introduced the more pronounced nolder which rises to approximately 15mm higher than the standard lid and became the profile of the eventual Scuderia part. Rumour is that the parts were destined for the scuderia but the volume / cost equation didnít work. So instead of the part going to the scud it was offered as a dealer fit upgrade but didnít have many of any takers due to its RRP of £27,000!

    The scud item is lighter but when comparing the two the ISO Clima item is in a different league. Not sure if they made any spider items. Here are some pics...

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