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    Quote Originally Posted by francisn View Post
    Doesn't say.

    Typical Ferrari organisation :-)


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    Full GP circuit btw which was another misinformation.

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    Very pleased with the pace of the 430 viale compared to the more modern metal.

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    Truly shocked how few cars were there today. Yes it was raining but I felt sorry for the Italians who clearly think this is the biggest happening on the UK Ferrari calendar but many were left twiddling thumbs with little to do. The driving car park was almost exclusively newer models with 488’s and 458’s being in abundance. A couple of 812’s were present and some F12’s but only one 599 driving and nothing V12 earlier. I am beginning to think that 550’s which I love seeing have all been abducted by aliens! With the earlier V8’s there was two other F430’s three challenge stradale and a 348 and the odd 360. For £300 for three sessions on the full F1 circuit with quality instructors (mine a LMP2 driver) and authentic Italian hospitality what more would Ferrari have to offer to entice more owners to take part?

    Helpfully I was out in the group with the Speciale’s and 488’s so it was brilliant to pit the car up to their reputations and benchmark the project. I knew when my son drove it last year we had done well but wondered what it would be like with my bulk onboard. I was very very happy with the result. A bit quicker rack and some more rear aero would have been perfect...must resist!

    Anyway not sure if any other club scud folk were on track but hope some more on here got to enjoy the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Modificato View Post
    Truly shocked how few cars were there today. Yes it was raining but I felt sorry for the Italians who clearly think this is the biggest happening on the UK Ferrari calendar but many were left twiddling thumbs with little to do. The driving car park was almost exclusively newer models with 488ís and 458ís being in abundance. A couple of 812ís were present and some F12ís but only one 599 driving and nothing V12 earlier. I am beginning to think that 550ís which I love seeing have all been abducted by aliens! With the earlier V8ís there was two other F430ís three challenge stradale and a 348 and the odd 360. For £300 for three sessions on the full F1 circuit with quality instructors (mine a LMP2 driver) and authentic Italian hospitality what more would Ferrari have to offer to entice more owners to take part?

    Helpfully I was out in the group with the Specialeís and 488ís so it was brilliant to pit the car up to their reputations and benchmark the project. I knew when my son drove it last year we had done well but wondered what it would be like with my bulk onboard. I was very very happy with the result. A bit quicker rack and some more rear aero would have been perfect...must resist!

    Anyway not sure if any other club scud folk were on track but hope some more on here got to enjoy the day.
    it was raining!! FOC had 200 booked to attend as visitors. Probably only about 40 turned up. At about 12 noon whoever was in charge decided the car parks at the Wing were full - Our bit on the Wing Ramp was nowhere near that, we had room for another 40 cars plus in theory and practice we had much more space in the paddock. But such is life. Not an FOC event - we were just helping and had to do as told.

    Maybe you saw my GT4 in the paddock?

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    Well Ferrari/Silverstone need to shape up and work harmoniously with the owners club!

    I turned up around 11:30am in my 308 with my mate in his 355 and a 430 arrived at the same time with us. We got as far as the middle of the circuit and were asked, for the second time to see our entry ticket, (duly shown and provided by the FOC via Ferrari). Then asked Ďcan we see your special parking ticket?í! I replied I hadnít been given a special parking ticket...... ĎPark over there and get the shuttle bus iní. A few 458s, a 330 GT and various other models (about 12 in all) were parked up - evidently having been given the same response. I replied Iím an owners club member (badge and card shown) and was told there was no capacity for further parking and I didnít have the parking ticket anyway!! We get the shuttle bus in and see the owners club parking and spoke with the team who were extremely helpful and upset that we were not allowed in to the dedicated owners parking which they were marshalling accordingly with, not surprisingly, little to Marshall and couldn't believe how quiet it was! I explained the situation and apparently the Ďspecial parkingí tickets only arrived in the club office on Wednesday which was too late to get them out but the Silverstone Marshallís has instructions accordingly to let us through. The club kindly shuttled us back to our cars for collection and we were then able to park with the other owners - not before Silverstone had given Ďspecial permissioní. After that apparently no one else was allowed in as Silverstone stopped it.

    I also have to say the Silverstone staff were incredibly rude at the entrance to the Ferrari hospitality. There was a real feeling of loggerheads with the owners club, Silverstone and Ferrari today. You could see the frustration with the staff. The FOC was fantastic. This is the second time Iíve been to one of these events and there is a real feeling of owners club v direct ferrari customers rather than integration. We are all there with the same interest! I think thatís is evidenced by how many modern Ferrariís there were there today. Surely Ferrari should be embracing the owners club more. After all there are stringent guidelines laid down on the club by them and Ferrari issued the tickets to the club but lots of areas today were off limits.

    Another joke was the beautiful display of the new range of Ferrariís but there was a vicious security guard on the stand who wouldnít let you anywhere near the cars. No ferrari representative on the stand either for us to have a look.

    Anyway that was my experience today. Had a great drive up and back despite the weather and my mate was so impressed he is joining the club next week. He bought his 355 five weeks ago. We enjoyed watching the challenge cars giving it the beans!

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    Quote Originally Posted by francisn View Post
    it was raining!! FOC had 200 booked to attend as visitors. Probably only about 40 turned up. At about 12 noon whoever was in charge decided the car parks at the Wing were full - Our bit on the Wing Ramp was nowhere near that, we had room for another 40 cars plus in theory and practice we had much more space in the paddock. But such is life. Not an FOC event - we were just helping and had to do as told.

    Maybe you saw my GT4 in the paddock?
    I saw your GT4 Francis and she looks lovely. I think you were on the gate as I turned up in my 308 GTB.

    Itís not an FOC event but Ferrari had invited the club and I felt there was a real lack of integration or interest towards the club which was a shame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Head View Post
    I saw your GT4 Francis and she looks lovely. I think you were on the gate as I turned up in my 308 GTB.

    Itís not an FOC event but Ferrari had invited the club and I felt there was a real lack of integration or interest towards the club which was a shame.
    Don't disagree Henry. We FOC helpers felt very frustrated. At the top level FNE (Ferrari North Europe) are incredibly supportive of the FOC but it doesn't seem to translate down to the operating level. Not sure where to lay the blame but certainly the Silverstone staff we were working with, though very helpful on an individual level, were badly briefed on what was meant to be happening.

    In theory we were meant to have a line up of interesting cars alongside my GT4 but it all just got over-run by 488s and 458s there for the track experience. There was also meant to be a lunch time parade lap which got canned because it hadn't been properly organised.

    Goodness knows what it would have been like if the sun had shone and the 200 cars booked in to the FOC had turned up!

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    Itís a tricky one because I get the feeling that their is a big and deliberately engineered gap between three groups of owners.

    At Silverstone there was the public area with food you paid for, the Abarth stand, chartwells etc. The clothing items were the Fan grade line with the usual red caps and nylon jackets.

    The next along with the right badge was the dealer invited group - people who spend a lot per annum, have just bought a car or are being prospected for one. Having done the rounds looking for a Speciale there were reps from every UK dealership. Clothing range was the Ďownerí level range with a limited stock and each piece and very Italian casual influenced. The dealerfit accessory range was also pushed along with the official mag of which various back issues were lying around. Unique caps were given out to all attendees and food and beverages were served throughout. There was an evening meal but we swerved that having already been away the night before.

    The third level was the corsa client lounge.

    I think the FOC needs to define a proper strategy for its role and purpose. Letís face it Ferrari like many companies can now communicate directly with its customers with ease and organise events that easily eclipse anything done by spirited amateurs and volunteers.

    It was clear from the drivers briefing and the talks from Silverstone staff that this was very much FNEís event and ďthatís the way they want to run it so thatís what we doĒ. The two Silverstone track events I have done as part of the Passione events have been brilliant - I only wish they would organise more. I am even considering doing a road trip to do an Italian one. The only daft thing was the rule that overtakes were to be by invite only (good) but by way of the hazard warning lights, which they had somehow forgotten trigger automatically under hard braking on all new cars from 488 up (thanks EU). Cue the first session being riddled with confusion.

    The parking in the paddock was clearly intended for those going on the track as there wasnít a lot of room to Marshall the various round in and out of their sessions. The Pista looks great in the flesh but doesnít set my pulse racing as I know itís basically unobtainable in Europe unless you pay 1.5 times list (either in depreciation on cars you donít want plus finance you donít need). Talking to three people who have orders they are all sick of Ďthe gameí but understand they have to play it. All three intend to use and all three have optioned the carbon wheels.

    I concluded I love the event when it involves track driving on the full GP circuit and have just made it a goal to do all the European ones. When it doesnít include driving I am not bother but itís worth a couple of hours but not a round trip to Silverstone. Mrs mod enjoyed the hospitality and female company whereas she wouldnít normally attend a track day so price-wise its good value for us.

    I just wish the FOC and FNE could do something halfway between this so we can enjoy driving and socialising at professional level. I think all tipo drivers should be driving their cars together as they do on events in Italy it seems unique to the UK that there are such divisions.

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    Interesting thread; with strong parallels to some yacht brands where there is a clear divide in owner experience/model owned etc. in the same way.

    To my mind if the dealers want to segregate the clientele base thatís there business, understandable but very much a mistake as it will just put people off.

    But to be honest I think the best events are not those organised by the dealers/agents but the amateur enthusiast clubs. Dealer/agent events are too slimy and always with an ulterior motive which just isnít genuine. But thatís just my view from experience with cars and yachts.

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    Hi Mod

    Thanks for your post. Not sure I agree there is a deliberately engineered gap - indeed I am sure there is not. However I do however agree that there are a number of different agendas in play. FNE want to sell cars and look after those that are going to spend money. The dealers are of course each keen to get that business for themselves. That is all just a big marketing exercise and looking after non customers or non potential customers is obviously not that important.

    The FOC do have a very good relationship with FNE and are trusted to look after all those other Ferrari owners who do not fit into buying into the new or dealer approved used cars model (and all owners of course). The relationship works well - actually very well - most of the time, but maybe not always during such a big event such as this weekend when some things fall apart under pressure.

    It would be great if life was perfect, but it's not and we have to cope :-)

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