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    Default Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2

    https://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/mic...ot-sport-cup-2

    The consensus seems to be that these tyres are the best for the CS. I'm trying to buy them, but both people I have spoken to say they are not available.

    My "tyre guy" sent me this information: "firstly Ferrari have specific compound tyres as do most super cars inc porsche aml even audi and mercedes , Pirelli are the only people who manufacture a specific tyre (how very Italian) typically Italian too the front and rear tyre patterns available do not match , fronts at the moment are only available in p zero corsa directional , these are £226 each , rears seem to be available in p zero corsa k1 £299 each or p zero rosso £253 each inc vat , needless to say i would have to order these , shipping to you would probably be around £15 for all 4 tyres".

    Is this right?

    I'd be grateful if anyone could tell me where i could find these?

    I understand the correct size is: 225/35/19 84Y and 285/35/19 99Y

    But some owners have 235s at the front?

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    Nice links. I was about to pull the trigger on some 295's and 235's until I saw this. Thanks

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    mytyres.co.uk has your size front and rear in corsa and rosso.

    Not sure about balckcircle, but I believe they are owned by Michelin or somebody similar now so would probably push those.

    When I did my tyres I had to do some hunting, and eventually had to speak to Pirelli direct as nobody could decipher there online branding; typical Italian I guess. Most website had a few tyres all the same name, same size, slightly different prices! Lady at Pirelli was very helpful and I was sorted out, one was for the 456 which had extra for the increased weight. From memory I went back and order them to my local via mytyres.

    If your a FOC member there is a discount on Pirelli tyres, well a fuel card I believe. Might be worth investigating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A348W View Post
    mytyres.co.uk has your size front and rear in corsa and rosso.
    What is the difference between corsa and rosso?

    Bloody minefield this!

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    Corsa is a higher performance tyre but will wear faster.

    P ZERO™ CORSA SYSTEM is the most sporting tyre in the road car range. Developed by Pirelli together with supercar manufacturers for both road and track use, on models directly derived from their motorsport counterparts. P ZERO™ CORSA SYSTEM concept combines directional (front axle fitment) and asymmetric (rear axle fitment or all-round application) to enhance not only performance, but also styling. The specialised structure of this tyre gives it optimal stability at high speed and while cornering.
    https://www.pirelli.com/tyres/en-gb/...o-corsa-system

    Engineered to match with all the electronic traction and stability control systems, P Zero Rosso™ is the ideal choice for sports on vehicles with medium-high displacement.
    https://www.pirelli.com/tyres/en-gb/...et/pzero-rosso

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    Thank you very much.

    From my reading the Michelin Sport Cup 2s seem to be highly recommended. Will go with standard 225 and 285. Unless I'm being stupid by overlooking the 235?

    Before I press the trigger, do you guys think it's a good idea? Sorry, first time Stradale tyre buyer!

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    Your car like all modern performance cars has been homologated with more than just a generic tyre of a size and generic rating. The reason you sometimes see what seems to be the ‘same tyre’ at radically different prices is that one is a generic version of the tyre or even another OEM specific fitment of the same tyre. Worse it is perhaps old stock that has been made three years ago and sat around after a cancelled order and hence now having a use life to you of half what a fresh tyre would have. Ferrari tyres are coded K1 as a specific to type approval so even if you get the ‘same’ tyre in the same size and load fitment be sure it is the wrong tyre. Ask yourself do you really want to have a non-optimal / wrong tyre on what is such a special to purpose car?

    Having said that as tyre makers leapfrog each other typically every 5 years on tech and development the later generation Michelin Pilot product is superior (in the dry) to your type approved Pirelli and indeed your challenge rims do expand the fitment options on both the 360CS and for F430 owners with that wheel option. I have upgraded my F430 to the Michelin product in that way and it works better than the standard tyre albeit with a little less self-centering compared to the homologated tyre.

    Sorry if that’s too much detail but I have found over the years that my local Ferrari dealer is the best place to source the type approved tyres both on lead time (getting a matched set i.e. made as recently as possible all
    in the same year and quarter)... and on costs as long as you ask for a good deal.

    Generally an uninformed, discount and price war market exists in the UK and we are known in the industry to be the most ignorant tyre market in Western Europe. Because there is no winter tyre market and we (as a nation) generally buy (for the cheapest budget tyre in the size required we deserve the reputation. Most tyre shops perpetuate this and can be as ignorant as their customers. Most online suppliers don’t even ask for the make or model of your car hence their amazing prices for what seems like your tyre.

    The two best upgrades on any car are tyres and brakes and the same goes for safety so choose carefully.

    I am racing with John Benson this week who is a well known tyre blogger I will ask him if he has any particular advice for your car as I would not trust a tyre review from anyone who hasn’t tested the car / tyre combo to its fullest envelope of use. How do you know that the tyre review came from someone even capable of measuring ‘better’. Any car on fresh rubber will feel ‘better’ due to the life factor alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Modificato View Post
    Your car like all modern performance cars has been homologated with more than just a generic tyre of a size and generic rating. The reason you sometimes see what seems to be the ‘same tyre’ at radically different prices is that one is a generic version of the tyre or even another OEM specific fitment of the same tyre. Worse it is perhaps old stock that has been made three years ago and sat around after a cancelled order and hence now having a use life to you of half what a fresh tyre would have. Ferrari tyres are coded K1 as a specific to type approval so even if you get the ‘same’ tyre in the same size and load fitment be sure it is the wrong tyre. Ask yourself do you really want to have a non-optimal / wrong tyre on what is such a special to purpose car?

    Having said that as tyre makers leapfrog each other typically every 5 years on tech and development the later generation Michelin Pilot product is superior (in the dry) to your type approved Pirelli and indeed your challenge rims do expand the fitment options on both the 360CS and for F430 owners with that wheel option. I have upgraded my F430 to the Michelin product in that way and it works better than the standard tyre albeit with a little less self-centering compared to the homologated tyre.

    Sorry if that’s too much detail but I have found over the years that my local Ferrari dealer is the best place to source the type approved tyres both on lead time (getting a matched set i.e. made as recently as possible all
    in the same year and quarter)... and on costs as long as you ask for a good deal.

    Generally an uninformed, discount and price war market exists in the UK and we are known in the industry to be the most ignorant tyre market in Western Europe. Because there is no winter tyre market and we (as a nation) generally buy (for the cheapest budget tyre in the size required we deserve the reputation. Most tyre shops perpetuate this and can be as ignorant as their customers. Most online suppliers don’t even ask for the make or model of your car hence their amazing prices for what seems like your tyre.

    The two best upgrades on any car are tyres and brakes and the same goes for safety so choose carefully.

    I am racing with John Benson this week who is a well known tyre blogger I will ask him if he has any particular advice for your car as I would not trust a tyre review from anyone who hasn’t tested the car / tyre combo to its fullest envelope of use. How do you know that the tyre review came from someone even capable of measuring ‘better’. Any car on fresh rubber will feel ‘better’ due to the life factor alone.
    Super reply - thank you! I would be very grateful indeed if you could speak with John and then I'll pretty much do what he says after a little reading around it! Tyres are critical which is why I am vacilating so much (apologies for boring the forum) on the decision. Last year, my Pzeros were quite low (but not one) and the drive was "interesting" to say the least. Very keen to get back onto a fresh set and enjoy them... It's been a while.

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    Not boring in the slightest.

    I'm always amazed that people "skimp" on the quality of the tyres they put on their cars to save a few £. To me they are as MOD says a key safety component. At the end of the day it is only that little patch (a few cm2?) of tyre that is keeping you on the road.

    Its kind of like crash helmets and life jackets; when you need them you kind of want them to work as intended, so why would you by cheap poor performing ones and or not maintain them properly?

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