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    My 308 is nearing the end of its bodywork restoration and I have been advised to have the car ceramic coated. I know little about ceramic coating other than the promises of an ultra hard shiny finish which will last up to 5 years.
    And itís costs a lot.....

    A few questions then:
    Are the promises correct or exaggerated
    Are there different qualities
    What is a reasonable price to have it done
    Does it mean no more waxing
    Have any of you had it done and if so what do you think

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweeni View Post
    My 308 is nearing the end of its bodywork restoration and I have been advised to have the car ceramic coated. I know little about ceramic coating other than the promises of an ultra hard shiny finish which will last up to 5 years.
    And itís costs a lot.....

    A few questions then:
    Are the promises correct or exaggerated
    Are there different qualities
    What is a reasonable price to have it done
    Does it mean no more waxing
    Have any of you had it done and if so what do you think

    Cheers
    Hi David

    I've had it done and it certainly adds a layer of protection, I think 5 years is a myth and my experience is it's needs re doing annually however (don't read this DaveZ!!) I don't use the 2 bucket mode anymore and get different results, my 458 seems to have super hard paint and never scratches, my FF the paint is like cheese and you only have to look at it to get swirl marks this is irrespective of the ceramic coat.



    You can wax over the top and it will potentially give it an even greater shine

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    Have spent a while orbiting planet detailing and most of these crystal, nano, ceramide, aquaphobic,pseudo, molecular-whateverís have never lived up to the hype.

    Had three done of three generations and the all started to look like melted cling film well before the supposed life span. Each was done by trained, serious retailers etc. The products of the detailing world seem to be more hyped than cosmetics. Same with wraps which are very hit and miss depending on the patterns and the shops that do them. A Mate just had his Veyron done by [insert famous social media hyped detailers] and to my engineers eye it just looks **** to be honest. The best any of my cars has ever looked was after a week long detail and the crazy price top of the range Zymol wax. These days I donít bother other than to wash correctly and then re-spray Stone chipped areas after every couple of years...

    Drive it then if it gets so bad you canít look at it get the paint done again is my stance now.

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    Had mine ceramic coated 2 years ago after having it paint corrected. Certainly still looks great after a simple wash and no need to wax. I was told probably needs redoing after 2-3 years. Was money well spent as far as I'm concerned and will do it again.

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    Hopefully I can bring some industry experience and an honest appraisal for you.
    To be clear from the start, my company Morethanpolish Ltd is the UK Distributor for a Belgian Ceramic coating, Kenolon Ceramic Shield, and my other company Race Glaze Ltd markets its own 9H Ceramic product.

    Are the promises correct or exaggerated - depends who you listen to ! Its definitely the hottest new thing and there are people peddling dubious products at huge prices. The key is preparation. Any defects under the coating will be magnified, not hidden like wax will.
    Are there different qualities - yes. Hardness is one measure - 5, 7 or 9H, but quality and credibility of supplier more so. And quality of application company. This dries like glass and has to be wet sanded off if applied badly - and some are. We run a national training and accreditation scheme for Kenolon so all our guys will do a perfect job. RG 9H is optimised for DIY application by intelligent people (or who can at least read and follow instructions).

    What is a reasonable price to have it done - expect £300-400, plus the prep - at least a single stage machine polish.
    Does it mean no more waxing - yes. You can wax if you wish but no real point.
    Have any of you had it done and if so what do you think - had a panel done on my old P-car as none of my other cars paint is good enough (see above). But I have witnessed and helped apply on about a dozens training courses as well as being trained myself. The Ferrari Centre have a test F430 bumper, which they invite customers to hit with a marker pen. The uncoated side marks, the coated side not.

    Durability - we'd expect 30-50,000m, so for cars like Ferraris, much longer.
    Shine, beading - outrageous !

    Hope that helps.
    The Kenolon network is shown here if of interest: http://morethanpolish.com/kenotek-car-care.asp
    RG 9H here: http://morethanpolish.com/Race-Glaze-9H-Ceramic.asp

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoreThanPolish View Post
    Hopefully I can bring some industry experience and an honest appraisal for you.
    To be clear from the start, my company Morethanpolish Ltd is the UK Distributor for a Belgian Ceramic coating, Kenolon Ceramic Shield, and my other company Race Glaze Ltd markets its own 9H Ceramic product.

    Are the promises correct or exaggerated - depends who you listen to ! Its definitely the hottest new thing and there are people peddling dubious products at huge prices. The key is preparation. Any defects under the coating will be magnified, not hidden like wax will.
    Are there different qualities - yes. Hardness is one measure - 5, 7 or 9H, but quality and credibility of supplier more so. And quality of application company. This dries like glass and has to be wet sanded off if applied badly - and some are. We run a national training and accreditation scheme for Kenolon so all our guys will do a perfect job. RG 9H is optimised for DIY application by intelligent people (or who can at least read and follow instructions).

    What is a reasonable price to have it done - expect £300-400, plus the prep - at least a single stage machine polish.
    Does it mean no more waxing - yes. You can wax if you wish but no real point.
    Have any of you had it done and if so what do you think - had a panel done on my old P-car as none of my other cars paint is good enough (see above). But I have witnessed and helped apply on about a dozens training courses as well as being trained myself. The Ferrari Centre have a test F430 bumper, which they invite customers to hit with a marker pen. The uncoated side marks, the coated side not.

    Durability - we'd expect 30-50,000m, so for cars like Ferraris, much longer.
    Shine, beading - outrageous !

    Hope that helps.
    The Kenolon network is shown here if of interest: http://morethanpolish.com/kenotek-car-care.asp
    RG 9H here: http://morethanpolish.com/Race-Glaze-9H-Ceramic.asp
    Many thanks for that, given me a much better insight.
    Given that the car is having a full bare metal respray I can't imagine that much prep would be required or am I being naive?
    The company doing the bodywork also do ceramic coating but they say it will be "around £1200 - £1500 but we will do a proper quote", you say a far more realistic £300 - £400, and how can I be sure who can it it correctly? (Looking at your link I see that there is only one dealer in Yorkshire)
    Can it also be applied to wheels?
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    I have not had the F355 coated - it needs a bit of minor work on the paint - but I did a fair bit of research on this for my daily driver (Mustang GT). Within a few days of taking delivery it went to have a full Gtechniq Crystal Serum with EXO coating and the wheels were given the Armour coating. Considering the car was built some three months previously in the good old USofA I asked for the detailer to provide any paint correction etc. as well. Amazingly the paint was in fine fettle with just a light polish required and a bit of light roughness removed from the offside front wing (or is that fender?). - a testament to Ďhumbleí Fordís paint process.

    The immediate results were amazing. The car looked as if it had been waxed to the highest standard and the water beading quite astonishing. Now, some 17 months later, the finish is still top notch. The car always looks clean even when, on close inspection, it is actually not so and remained looking clean throughout the winter. Dirt does not stick to it and a quick spray over with the pressure washer (just water, no shampoo or wash mit involved) brings it up looking much better than it has any right to. Washing it properly is a doddle and after a good wash the water beading is still amazing. The wheels are something else - never in my (very) long driving history have wheels been so easy to clean - no special lotions or potions required just straight forward car shampoo with no scrubbing necessary.

    The finish is guaranteed for seven years. Will it remain so, only time will tell and Iíll probably have replaced the car within that time anyway. Would I do it again? Definitely yes. Was it expensive? Yes, just under a £grand.

    Do I recommend it? Yes.
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    I can offer you a perspective from the DIY end of the market.

    I applied Carpro CQuartz v3.0 UK Edition to two cars earlier this year (about 3 months ago), and have been very impressed with the results. They are significantly easier to clean, and after a wash they gleam like they've just been waxed. That particular product has a supposed 2 year lifespan, although I don't really know how long it lasts yet. There are plenty of vids on youtube of people who've had it on for a year with continued good results.

    CQuartz (and other similar ones) has a top up spray that can be applied every 3 months or so to help keep the coating in good shape. I haven't bought that yet, but it applies like a quick detail spray so is easy to do. Although it's a ceramic coating, it can be removed with a ceramic based polish so if you cock it up it's easy to fix. Cock ups should be extremely unlikely though because it is so easy to apply. You just need to remove the residue very thoroughly otherwise smudges will remain and can't be removed without polishing again if left for too long. Workable time is several minutes so there's plenty of time to remove residue for say a 2ft square section.

    If you like waxing you won't like any ceramic coating, even the DIY ones. They're just too low maintenance! The CarPro stuff looks like you've just waxed it immediately after washing. So there's absolutely no point in applying wax anyway. It can be layered as well but I'm only on one coat at present.

    Before applying I did a single stage polish with a rotary and a Menzerna final finish product (Can't remember the product code off the top of my head but it's the super fine finishing one I used). Total effort on each car was about 10 hours.

    Based on my experience with the DIY stuff, I'm sure the professional stuff is very good. There is just one thing - I wouldn't pay 300-400 quid for a pro application. I'd rather pay the £60 or so it cost me to do the two cars and do it once every 18 months or so.

    One really impressive thing about it is that after washing and rinsing I can easily blow 90% of the water off with a hand held workshop blower (mine's a Ryobi one+ device) and subsequent drying with a microfiber takes virtually no time at all.

    I've always preferred wax but I was an instant convert after applying and even more so after the first wash.

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    I had my car detailed by a company local to me, Autocurators, in Jan 2017 and then coated using their own branded Ceramic glaze. No idea what it actually is or where it came from. I was very impressed with the finish and the ease of washing it.

    Earlier in 2018 I had some small repainting done and got them to "top up" the affected areas. Over that time I have washed my car with a snow foam, and a jet wash. Occasionally need to remove some stubborn stuff with a mitt, but generally speaking it just comes up clean and using one of Mark Wibberleys water softener filters for the final rinse I only have to do a cursory final dry with a microfibre towel to have the car looking pristine. As others have said, the beading is amazing.

    I drove my car to Maranello in June and it got there pretty dirty. I found a local jet wash and 10 minutes use of that with no detergent and the car was immaculate.

    I now have a tub of very expensive Swissvax wax sitting going to waste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoreThanPolish View Post
    Hopefully I can bring some industry experience and an honest appraisal for you.
    To be clear from the start, my company Morethanpolish Ltd is the UK Distributor for a Belgian Ceramic coating, Kenolon Ceramic Shield, and my other company Race Glaze Ltd markets its own 9H Ceramic product.

    Are the promises correct or exaggerated - depends who you listen to ! Its definitely the hottest new thing and there are people peddling dubious products at huge prices. The key is preparation. Any defects under the coating will be magnified, not hidden like wax will.
    Are there different qualities - yes. Hardness is one measure - 5, 7 or 9H, but quality and credibility of supplier more so. And quality of application company. This dries like glass and has to be wet sanded off if applied badly - and some are. We run a national training and accreditation scheme for Kenolon so all our guys will do a perfect job. RG 9H is optimised for DIY application by intelligent people (or who can at least read and follow instructions).

    What is a reasonable price to have it done - expect £300-400, plus the prep - at least a single stage machine polish.
    Does it mean no more waxing - yes. You can wax if you wish but no real point.
    Have any of you had it done and if so what do you think - had a panel done on my old P-car as none of my other cars paint is good enough (see above). But I have witnessed and helped apply on about a dozens training courses as well as being trained myself. The Ferrari Centre have a test F430 bumper, which they invite customers to hit with a marker pen. The uncoated side marks, the coated side not.

    Durability - we'd expect 30-50,000m, so for cars like Ferraris, much longer.
    Shine, beading - outrageous !

    Hope that helps.
    The Kenolon network is shown here if of interest: http://morethanpolish.com/kenotek-car-care.asp
    RG 9H here: http://morethanpolish.com/Race-Glaze-9H-Ceramic.asp
    Just had the Kenlon product supplied by Mark applied to my 430 by Kent High Performance Cars, had the front end (bumper, wings, bonnet, sills and mirrors) repainted, the whole lot paint corrected, Kenlon applied and then the front end wrapped in some sort of self healing film. To say it looks stunning is an understatement. Sorry, don't have any pictures yet, I'm still waiting for my garage to be finished so the car is still up in storage with Roger. My own opinion would be that it's a worthwhile process - this based on having seen the results of what would be a professional application.

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