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    Ferrari LOSES legal battle trademark the shape of the iconic GTO

    This will likely have a massive impact on the ‘collector car’ market.

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...c-250-GTO.html

    Where do we all stand on this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Modificato View Post
    Ferrari LOSES legal battle trademark the shape of the iconic GTO

    This will likely have a massive impact on the ‘collector car’ market.

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...c-250-GTO.html

    Where do we all stand on this?
    There are, and have been for years numerous Ferraris rebodied as 250GTOs, in fact many more than the original 39, and that hasn't exactly diminished the value of the real thing. GTO engineering here in UK have over the last few years built quite a number of replica 250SWBs not even using an original Ferrari chassis and all newly manufactured parts, just the identity of an expired Ferrari so that they can (on I personally think rather dubious grounds) stick a cavallino rampante badge on them, that also hasn't diminished the value of the real thing.

    I would imagine that anyone building a replica without ownership of a valid Ferrari chassis number, and gtrying to stick a fderrari badge on it, will be jumped on immediately by Ferrari lawyers.

    So no, I don't think it will have any impact at all on the "collector car' market.

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    Having read that article; it’s BS.

    It sets the precedence that unless you build cars that look like the design you are trying to protect; trademark protection does not apply and anybody can copy it after 5 years. Using the “image” of the design you are trying to protect in other products/ usages doesn’t support your claim is use either it would appear.

    So if you are a designer/ stylist your IP is only protected under trademark as long as you produce the product or I guess something reasonably similar! Although I don’t know enough about it to understand the relationship to copyright law and how that may or may not apply.

    As to the collector market, I don’t think it will affect it at all. (Cobra/stratos market hasn’t suffered). But this ruling I think will go well beyond the automotive sector.

    But overall I think designers just got screwed over.

    (Judge was probably an Audi driver )
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    I agree, I don't think it'll effect the collector market at all, just that every time you see a 250 GTO (or similar) you'll dismiss it as merely a copy even on the very rare occasion it won't be. Does that matter? Probably not that much...….. but it is a pity.

    Of course there is a 'fix' - every 5 years Ferrari (and other prestige marques) could have someone produce a single production of each of their iconic cars, sort of a 'reverse prototype' if you like, in order to protect the copyright. Could be a lucrative contract

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    If it was possible to do some sort of oily bit carbon dating, I bet well over 50% of ALL the components on the original cars are not original, but it makes naff all difference to the value, so I cant imagine flooding the market with very expensive tool room copies will have any impact on the price of the originals.

    Its the same with most high end vintage collectable cars especially if they have been raced. I went to visit a high end classic car outfit who specialised in race cars, and I looked at a 250 F having a full nut and bolt rebuild. I asked the mechanic why the back half of the car had such a badly made chassis. He told me the front part was brand new but the back part was the original. They kept that bit as it gave it a period look, and its what you looked at when anyone sat in the cockpit !! It looked like the cylinder block and a few other cast bits were the only period parts on the car everything else was new !! I also know one guy who had one chassis frame from a lotus that had the chassis number on it and he had a complete new chassis made around it !!

    On balance if I had the money I just wouldnt spend a 30 million fortune on something like a 250, but if I had to have one I would buy a tool room copy for probably 400K. This would leave me change to buy a Spitfire aeroplane, going rate is 2 million for the desirable marks. (These are replicas as well, as you only need the airframe plate to rebuild one, and trust me virtually every part of the rebuilt Spitfires you see flying today is brand new. They even make Merlin engine cylinder heads brand new)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sssdu01 View Post
    On balance if I had the money I just wouldnt spend a 30 million fortune on something like a 250, but if I had to have one I would buy a tool room copy for probably 400K.
    Heathen!

    Like the idea of the Spit though.

    I'm sort of the opposite - I can see the point of the original as it's a piece of history but the tool room copy is just a not very fast poorly made car. Sort of don't see the point. There again I detest people badging replicas as the original and don't get me started of Ferrari owners with a 'normal' variant putting a body kit on it and badging it as a limited edition! Just makes me cringe I'm afraid. Essentially I'm a tad blinkered when it comes to these things.

    That said, if it's your car, do as you like. I doubt you bought it for my benefit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nosevi View Post
    I agree, I don't think it'll effect the collector market at all, just that every time you see a 250 GTO (or similar) you'll dismiss it as merely a copy even on the very rare occasion it won't be. Does that matter? Probably not that much...….. but it is a pity.
    As probably most do when they see a Cobra or a Lancia Stratos. It will make no difference.

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    I had to look up Pur Sang!

    Wow they do some great work and TBH probably (certainly) better quality than the period original.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike01606 View Post
    I had to look up Pur Sang!

    Wow they do some great work and TBH probably (certainly) better quality than the period original.
    They'll definitely be better quality, no question. And I think the idea of tribute cars is great, these for example look like a lot of fun:

    https://www.eaglegb.com/188/jaguar-e...s/eagle-e-type

    But I just think they should never be badged as something they're not ie the original, and Pur Sangs apparently often are. As I say, I feel the same about normal models badged as special editions, and I mean that in any marque. Just the way I see it.

    I don't think anyone would argue there's much wrong with having a print of a Monet hanging on the wall so you and others can appreciate it's beauty. But if you had one copied in paint then went around giving the impression it was an original I think people would see you as a bit of a prat. I feel the same way about automotive art ie cars like the E-Type or 250 GTO, I see no difference at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nosevi View Post
    They'll definitely be better quality, no question. And I think the idea of tribute cars is great, these for example look like a lot of fun:

    https://www.eaglegb.com/188/jaguar-e...s/eagle-e-type

    But I just think they should never be badged as something they're not ie the original, and Pur Sangs apparently often are. As I say, I feel the same about normal models badged as special editions, and I mean that in any marque. Just the way I see it.

    I don't think anyone would argue there's much wrong with having a print of a Monet hanging on the wall so you and others can appreciate it's beauty. But if you had one copied in paint then went around giving the impression it was an original I think people would see you as a bit of a prat. I feel the same way about automotive art ie cars like the E-Type or 250 GTO, I see no difference at all.
    It’s a grey area for me with tool room copies - if you have no chance of getting the real thing and they have all become undriveable due to values some thing like this makes sense.

    https://youtu.be/ttl-kF8Rbuo

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