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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike01606 View Post
    But well worth it Giles!

    Itís a really lovely car.... I saw the car on THJís Instagram account whilst we were in Italy. Iíd obviously no idea youíd bought it but thought it was a great buy.
    Great minds.....!

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    Quote Originally Posted by giles View Post
    Price wise Iím expecting about £650, which is fine but itís £650 more then the 488!
    Cheers, Giles
    Minus the huge depreciation though! Happy days, looks great.
    Interested if you really feel itís a more engaging drive than the 488. I was tempted with 488 prices now tantalising approachable.


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    Quote Originally Posted by achaddy View Post
    Minus the huge depreciation though! Happy days, looks great.
    Interested if you really feel itís a more engaging drive than the 488. I was tempted with 488 prices now tantalising approachable.


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    Yes, more engaging on the 458 as the 488 is more composed, itís a better car, better resolved, much more polished, the calibration of the Powertrain and driveline is hugely improved. Gone are the throttle tip in shunts and binary nature of the fuelling cal. All this make the 488 a much better resolved car than the 458, but that is missing the point in the same way that saying a VW Golf is far more resolved than a Morgan 3 Wheeler, therefore the golf is the better car (which it is), but the visceral feeling of driving something as bonkers as a 3 wheeler is just more fun, so it gets the fun vote for me.
    Ok, ridiculous comparisons aside, 488 is stupidly fast and for me, being a bit of a short shifter, I really appreciated the max torque at 3k rpm, so you get ferocious acceleration without having to be high in the Rev range. This suited me fine but you donít get the exhilaration of chasing the revs nor that naturally aspirated sound track that goes with the 458. If James May was describing the difference he would probably say the 458 has more fizz. This will probably be a combination of the more raucous soundtrack of the NA engine and the more instant throttle response.
    For me personally the 458 seems to break traction in ĎRaceí more often inviting more driver involvement to dial in a little opposite lock, this makes it feel more alive in your hands. The 488 is thoroughly planted, not requiring nearly as much driver involvement when things are getting exciting.
    Looks: for my eye, the 458 Looks better at the front, the tapered lower air intake looks more tidy and the slashed front air intakes looks super purposeful / menacing! The back of the 488 in my eyes looks better, much less fussy.
    488 is seriously quick, too quick(?). It also has less revs to play with and although it gives a really fab loud baseline note it lacks the scream of the 458 which is so popular for so many petrolheads, plus the 488 has a lower redline.
    488 from April 2017 will be on £140 tax when 6 years old, 458 will be the highest band for life (£580?).
    488 better mpg
    Standard seats in 488 look ok, in fact I think they look good. Standard seats in the 458 are not to my taste.
    Standard wheels on the 488 look great, like the option 458 rim, standard wheels on the 458 are not to my taste.
    Multi media Control in the 488 is OK, in the 458 it is not.
    488 gets quite a few features for standard that are options on the 458. Rear park sensors, navi Bluetooth, DAB, folding mirrors, cruise control.
    I voted with my feet and went for the 458.
    Cheers, Giles

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    Quote Originally Posted by giles View Post
    Yes, more engaging on the 458 as the 488 is more composed, itís a better car, better resolved, much more polished, the calibration of the Powertrain and driveline is hugely improved. Gone are the throttle tip in shunts and binary nature of the fuelling cal. All this make the 488 a much better resolved car than the 458, but that is missing the point in the same way that saying a VW Golf is far more resolved than a Morgan 3 Wheeler, therefore the golf is the better car (which it is), but the visceral feeling of driving something as bonkers as a 3 wheeler is just more fun, so it gets the fun vote for me.
    Ok, ridiculous comparisons aside, 488 is stupidly fast and for me, being a bit of a short shifter, I really appreciated the max torque at 3k rpm, so you get ferocious acceleration without having to be high in the Rev range. This suited me fine but you donít get the exhilaration of chasing the revs nor that naturally aspirated sound track that goes with the 458. If James May was describing the difference he would probably say the 458 has more fizz. This will probably be a combination of the more raucous soundtrack of the NA engine and the more instant throttle response.
    For me personally the 458 seems to break traction in ĎRaceí more often inviting more driver involvement to dial in a little opposite lock, this makes it feel more alive in your hands. The 488 is thoroughly planted, not requiring nearly as much driver involvement when things are getting exciting.
    Looks: for my eye, the 458 Looks better at the front, the tapered lower air intake looks more tidy and the slashed front air intakes looks super purposeful / menacing! The back of the 488 in my eyes looks better, much less fussy.
    488 is seriously quick, too quick(?). It also has less revs to play with and although it gives a really fab loud baseline note it lacks the scream of the 458 which is so popular for so many petrolheads, plus the 488 has a lower redline.
    488 from April 2017 will be on £140 tax when 6 years old, 458 will be the highest band for life (£580?).
    488 better mpg
    Standard seats in 488 look ok, in fact I think they look good. Standard seats in the 458 are not to my taste.
    Standard wheels on the 488 look great, like the option 458 rim, standard wheels on the 458 are not to my taste.
    Multi media Control in the 488 is OK, in the 458 it is not.
    488 gets quite a few features for standard that are options on the 458. Rear park sensors, navi Bluetooth, DAB, folding mirrors, cruise control.
    I voted with my feet and went for the 458.
    Cheers, Giles
    I think that's quite a comprehensive comparison.

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    One thing I didnít mention and it is a significant difference is the ride quality, the comfort and ride quality is far better on the 488, not sure what theyíve done to the active dampers but all the road inputs into the vehicle are much more rounded with the harshness removed. However is the 458 ride unacceptable? No, itís fine!

    Here is something I wasnít expecting, an engraved binder specific to my vehicle. Quality touch and certainly a surprise and delight feature from Tom Hartley Jnr!

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    Photos of my lovely posh binder to house my substantial service history, itís quite a premium feeling thing, do all high end dealers to this?
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    Good reviews Giles....Howís about a comparison with the 360? Probably on your other thread [emoji106]

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    Hi Folks,
    Iíve had my 10th annual service done at Stradale Italia, It cost £660 nothing to report and a clean bill of health, Iíve got a summary video from Sam, Iíll add a link to the tube you like site where Iíll try to keep my maintenance videos of the cars.

    https://youtu.be/miOmlUnv8P4

    This weekend Iím taking it in to Flawless Detailing in Coventry to have the PPF fitted to the front and sides including the A-Posts and leading section of the roof.
    Hopefully I can post some photos of that once done.
    Cheers, Giles

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    Hi Folks,
    458 is getting the PPF fitted, here are some in process photos....
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