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    Just posted a new blog on the coming of the next generation hybrid Ferraris. I have a few major concerns on if they will be able to deliver a better driving experience:

    https://karenable.com/the-hybrids-ar...i-not-excited/

    Thoughts, comments?

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    Interesting read; thank you.

    Whilst I wonÂ’t get to drive the cars you are talking about, I agree with the sentiment entirely. I find my 5 series completely boring and disengaging to drive, so wouldnÂ’t even want to try and brand new/hydrid/ipod dash car. I love the engagement of my 348 and 355, and when my 5 series is up for renewal I'm serious thinking of something like an Alpine to replace it.

    As to making super/hypercars environmentally friendly, I donÂ’t think there is a better oxymoron out there is there? Hybrids in the main are another master class in marketing over common sense as you allude to, in that the extra weight of the batteries/electric motors makes the poor little combustion engines work that much harder and return rubbish fuel economy. In fact I think it was BMW that came out recently and said hydrid/electric tech does not work for SUVs for this very reason and the need to look at synthetic fuels and hydrogen etc. for bigger heavier vehicles.

    I must however disagree about the "autpilot" functions being safe, these are nothing but down right dangerous. Unfortunately, our politicians are only currently listening to the lobbyists and main stream media; the former only out for themselves and the latter generally as thick as to short planks and or told what to say by the media outlet owners! As somebody who specialises in system safety and having spent a bit of time “doing my bit” on the current UK public consultation on the latest lane departure stuff, they are actually looking at changing the law to accommodate the systems at the expense of safety…unbelievable stuff. Other than “Pod” at terminal 5 at Heathrow, you wont ever be getting me or my family in an autonomous vehicle.

    What i think will be interesting is weather the current "youth" feel teh same way in 5-10 years?

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    Good piece Scott and I entirely agree your sentiments. Actually, I don't even particularly desire any of the supercars of the last decade, whether NA or not. However quite a few from earlier that I do lust over.

    I always like the adage that driving a slow car fast is more fun than driving a fast car slow. If I relax the grip on the steering wheel of my non power assisted 308GT4 I can feel it move with every little bump or undulation in the road. If I do the same with my power assisted daily driver I can feel nothing. Very nice and efficient if you need to cover a long distance in comfort but absolutely no fun.

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    I cant help thinking that HGV vehicles will demand liquid hydrogen as batteries just wont really work, If the wheels arent turning it aint earning and charge times and range anxiety will always be the killer. If we ever start to get more hydrogen stations for GV's then private cars will follow.

    All the battery enthusiasts will harp on about the inefficiency associated with hydrogen bla bla bla how great tesla are etc, but you can escape the facts that its a good way of using/storing any spare wind/solar energy, and once its in liquid form it can be stored and transported etc pretty much like liquid fossil fuels.

    This will be the game changer as you wont have the dead weight of batteries and with the small size and weight of electric motors you could make some supercars with absolutely crushing performance.

    Old boys like me will be able to enjoy their v8 or v12's and just run them on hydrogen gas. True it wont be as fast as the petrol version but you will still have the same "profile" of engine characteristics along with clutch gearbox and the normal noise. Its easier than you think, replace your petrol tank with a tank for liquid hydrogen, different injectors and some ECU changes. In fact some classic cars with carburetors will probably run better on modern fuel injection/hydrogen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A348W View Post

    I must however disagree about the "autpilot" functions being safe, these are nothing but down right dangerous. Unfortunately, our politicians are only currently listening to the lobbyists and main stream media; the former only out for themselves and the latter generally as thick as to short planks and or told what to say by the media outlet owners! As somebody who specialises in system safety and having spent a bit of time “doing my bit” on the current UK public consultation on the latest lane departure stuff, they are actually looking at changing the law to accommodate the systems at the expense of safety…unbelievable stuff. Other than “Pod” at terminal 5 at Heathrow, you wont ever be getting me or my family in an autonomous vehicle.

    What i think will be interesting is weather the current "youth" feel teh same way in 5-10 years?
    Think I might have not been that clear, Im not a fan of autopilot at all and don't think any are safe. I was just trying to use it as an analogy to show just how uninterested a Tesla is to drive.

    It will be very interesting if today's 20 year old really care about car in 10-15 years.

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    I always enjoy reading your posts on Karenable.

    I think my next supercar will be my last ever, and the question is really 720S or come back to the Ferrari fold.

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    BTW I have about 500 posts but for some reason have gone back to the beginning!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boxer View Post
    Think I might have not been that clear, Im not a fan of autopilot at all and don't think any are safe. I was just trying to use it as an analogy to show just how uninterested a Tesla is to drive.
    I'm with you there

    It was interesting reading the details on the Automated Lane keeping System (latest consultation/proposal), on the face of it fairly innocuous, in the detail...not so good at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sssdu01 View Post
    If we ever start to get more hydrogen stations for GV's then private cars will follow.

    but you can escape the facts that its a good way of using/storing any spare wind/solar energy, and once its in liquid form it can be stored and transported etc pretty much like liquid fossil fuels.
    Why bother? They can make carbon neutral (or negative if have a little carbon capture in the process) petrol from air and wind/solar power so why not go down that route? No massive change to infrastructure required, no updating vehicles, no additional problems with safety of storage or transport. The solution is already there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxthegreyhound View Post
    I always enjoy reading your posts on Karenable.

    I think my next supercar will be my last ever, and the question is really 720S or come back to the Ferrari fold.
    Much appreciated.

    In terms of next supercar, drive the 720S and Ferrari back to back and see which speaks loudest to you.

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