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    Quote Originally Posted by Lifeboatboy View Post
    Hi Mark - yes mate One of the many results of: 'what shall I do today?' recuperation and Lockdown. So next time you're out walking, say hi (assuming that's how you knew ;-) )
    I'll do that! Yes, we were out walking and passed you back in April. I took a picture but didn't want to post that on a public forum

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    Mike, is there any saving to be made if someone disassembles a car themselves? Or do body shops not really like that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by irarref View Post
    Mike, is there any saving to be made if someone disassembles a car themselves? Or do body shops not really like that?
    Some places may not like it, but it should be fine with most. I certainly wouldn't have a problem with it. Yes, there are savings to be made that way as obviously time is money, and stripping and refitting can be time consuming. It is something that anyone can do though if they have the time and patience, so I think it's a nice way for the owner to get involved sometimes.

    The only thing you would need to mindful of is chipping anything or slipping with a tool and scratching the paint upon reassembly.

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    You don't need an apprentice for a week or 2 by any chance to work on a 348...???? ;-')

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    Drop me a line if you wish!

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    Quote Originally Posted by irarref View Post
    You don't need an apprentice for a week or 2 by any chance to work on a 348...???? ;-')
    Just not on mine ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by A348W View Post
    Just not on mine ok?
    But he needs to practice on something before having a go on his car .........

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbwoy84 View Post
    As a restoration workshop/bodyshop owner and Ferrari owner, my advise/observations to put in, having a view from both sides of the fence as it were, would be thus.....

    A paint match, possibly to include blending if required should be possible. How easily/effectively depends on each bodyshop's individual set up and/or relationships with suppliers. Some will have their own mixing schemes, some will buy their paint in ready-mixed from a local paint supplier. If it's for a full repaint, most will buy the paint in regardless as there's no advantage to mixing it from their own scheme in-house. Additionally, some bodyshops will have their own spectrophotometer. Others will rely on their local paint shop for this. Even then, a spectro will only work from a light reading taken from 3 or 4 points and give an indication of colour match accuracy and blendability, which is fine in most instances. Certain paint manufacturers in the UK will have their own in-house laboratories, with a paint scanner that typically reads a panel from 64 different points, so solutions are available for even the most difficult matches if your mixer can't get it bang on with their own equipment and by eye to fine tune. With a solid red, it is highly unlikely that you should have to go to such extremes and it should be able to be "tweaked" in-house, but a solid red generally does take some work to get spot on as there is a high level of variation.

    There should never be a necessity to fully respray a vehicle is if there is only a couple of panels that really need work and refinishing. Granted, sometimes it can be quicker and easier to swipe through a complete panel or two rather than an intricate blend when you're doing a series of panels. The reason why certain people may want to fully respray a car when they're only doing a few panels is usually for colour-matching reasons. This is especially the case when they're doing bumpers as there will always be a slight difference between metal and plastic panels. That's just a fact of them being different materials. It should only be noticeable in certain lights at certain angles, but you can always find it, it shouldn't be too obvious. It can be obvious on certain vehicles as bumpers can be painted in a different factory to the rest of the panels, but that's not going to be the case with a Ferrari.

    A full repaint on a 348 Spider shouldn't amount to a huge figure if no major repairs are required. If you are just looking for an exterior repaint and you have mentioned or shown them what repairs are required, a 5000 difference between best and worst case scenarios is certainly not justified. If you said you wanted the car stripped to a bare shell, blast cleaned and restored back to concours then a 5000 discrepancy is very small. If you have a couple of rust scabs and you just want an exterior repaint then yes, they are quite correct to suggest that you won't know what is required exactly to the repair areas until they've sanded through the paint, but a difference should be in hundreds rather than thousands unless there's a lot of it! It's not as if there's an awful lot of metal on the car. No roof etc. The only thing that boosts the price of a 348 over an average car is there's quite a lot of intricacies due to the styling, which makes prep work a lot more involved than your average car and that's what takes the time. The badge should never come into it, even though I'm sure it does in some cases. Yes, modern supercars with all their composites etc are going to be expensive, but in most cases, a steel-bodied car is a steel-bodied car!

    As for any other extras. Yes, it's a 27 year old car and when you start dismantling it, things will break regardless of how careful you are. Clips and fixings will be old and brittle, corroded or perished. Seals will be past their best and other trims would probably look out of place against showroom-fresh paint. No major items should get damaged though.

    To me, to repaint the exterior or a 348 Spider, I would be looking at quoting IRO 3000-4000+VAT assuming no real repair work, to a high standard. I would add on IRO 1000+VAT for taking the whole exterior back to bare metal and lead loading any repair work/areas where the metalwork appears "thin" and an further 1000+VAT to upgrade the material to "Novol for Classic Car" epoxy, primer and aluminium-filing infused filler and OEM Glasurit paint (Still the best IMO).

    But I can't see 10,000 in a 348 Spider without serious metalwork needing to be carried out.

    Look forward to seeing how this one progresses anyway!
    Superbly helpful...just staggeringly so. Thank you for putting so much effort into the reply. I'll digest it after reading it again more carefully, and may take the liberty of coming back to you, if I may. I've been working on another car I've just acquired to do a European tour, so please don't think I wasn't checking back. Thank you again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyodo View Post
    I'll do that! Yes, we were out walking and passed you back in April. I took a picture but didn't want to post that on a public forum
    Tell me I'd at least done my hair and nails...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lifeboatboy View Post
    Tell me I'd at least done my hair and nails...
    I took a picture of your garage, not you personally. I'm not a stalker

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